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Dialogue/ Conversations with Events https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/dialogue-conversations-with-events/ https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/dialogue-conversations-with-events/#respond Sat, 11 Sep 2021 23:14:33 +0000 https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/?p=223 Dialogue with Events Events can be anything that aren’t persons.  They can be actual events like a party, an accident, an achievement, or a failure.  Events can be abstract concepts, too, like emotions or truth or justice.  Circumstances that exert a real influence on us are no longer fixed and opaque.  They become accessible to Read More ...

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Dialogue with Events

Events can be anything that aren’t persons.  They can be actual events like a party, an accident, an achievement, or a failure.  Events can be abstract concepts, too, like emotions or truth or justice.  Circumstances that exert a real influence on us are no longer fixed and opaque.  They become accessible to us as persons with whom we can communicate.

To dialogue with events:

  1. Write a focusing statement. This could be a brief description of an event or situation, or it could be a working definition. (Often I use a dictionary definition as a starting point and add my own parts to it to complete what I mean by the word or event.)
  2. Do steppingstones of its life. If it is a real situation, record the events leading to its occurrence. If it’s an abstract concept, record your experiences of this concept as the event’s steppingstones.
  3. Sit in silence. When the steppingstones are finished, sit in silence drifting to the level of twilight imagery. Let the images come and record them.
  4. Read the steppingstones again allowing them to present the event to you as a person.
  5. In stillness feel the presence of the person and speak to that person.
  6. Sit in silence again. When the dialogue is finished, sit in silence becoming calm again.
  7. Reread the script. Compare feelings while rereading it to feelings while writing. Record both.
  8. Let the dialogue sit. Then come back to it several days later to reread it and extend it if necessary. Record your reactions to this rereading along with the date.

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Daily Log https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/daily-log/ https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/daily-log/#respond Sat, 11 Sep 2021 23:12:57 +0000 https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/?p=221 Daily Log Keeping a daily log is recommended, but it’s not essential.  It’s similar to a diary but with the emphasis on feelings and inner experiences rather than external events. To write in the Daily Log: Sit in silence first and let your mind gently go back over your day. Spend a minute or two or Read More ...

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Daily Log

Keeping a daily log is recommended, but it’s not essential.  It’s similar to a diary but with the emphasis on feelings and inner experiences rather than external events.

To write in the Daily Log:

  1. Sit in silence first and let your mind gently go back over your day. Spend a minute or two or maybe even five or more in silence.
  2. Record briefly the events of your day to provide a context for your feelings and inner experiences.
  3. Write about your feelings and inner experiences. (It’s encouraged that you write about the experiences as they happen. Some people carry a notebook with them and write in it from time to time during the day.  For most people this is not possible but writing about inner experiences as they occur happens more often than you would expect.  Usually new experiences occur while you’re writing, and because you’re writing, they can be recorded as they happen.)
  4. Record dreams here. This is a brief account to fix it in your memory so that later it can be recorded in full in your Dream Log.
  5. Write whatever and whenever you can. Often daily entries are impossible because our lives are too busy. Summarize the intervening days — the outer events and the inner experiences associated with them.

 

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A sample dialogue with body https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/a-sample-dialogue-with-body/ https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/a-sample-dialogue-with-body/#respond Tue, 27 Jul 2021 19:14:16 +0000 https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/?p=188   Dialogue with the body Many years ago, I was diagnosed with an auto-immune disease. The only word I could use to describe how I felt, at the time, was: betrayed. I’d totally bought into the message that prevention was better than a cure, and I’d proactively done what I thought was a basically good job Read More ...

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dialouge with the body

Many years ago, I was diagnosed with an auto-immune disease. The only word I could use to describe how I felt, at the time, was: betrayed. I’d totally bought into the message that prevention was better than a cure, and I’d proactively done what I thought was a basically good job of trying to care for my body. Yet, there I was.

In the two years following the diagnosis, how to heal my body was something of a singular obsession. I bounced back and forth between Western and Eastern and alternative; I gagged down bone broth and probiotics to heal my gut and when that failed I’d drink green juice to my heart’s abandon and lust after gluten.

I could feel that with the diagnosis and struggle to find a workable treatment, and the exhaustion and low-grade “meh” that didn’t seem to want to leave, my identity had changed. I now thought of myself as “a sick person.” Managing how I felt had come to define me, in some way.

I can truly say that what tipped everything in a different direction was a fortuitous dinner.

I was at a conference and my husband and I grabbed dinner with a friend I hadn’t seen in awhile. After I shared about all of the health stuff that had come up, she said something that changed my life: “Well, fuck that diagnosis.”

When she said it, I felt something go through my body in that moment. Power. Groundedness. The opening of a doorway into a completely new way of thinking, a totally different paradigm, for what I was facing. She was the first and only person who hadn’t treated the situation like a shrug, Oh well, whaddyagonnado, here’s your sentence, this disease is just the way it is…followed by offering well-meaning advice.

Instead, she was treating the diagnosis as something that I didn’t just have to roll over and tolerate.

Inspired after that dinner, I began making my list of things I wanted to do with my body—things that had seemed impossible, before.

Dialogue With The Body

A practice where you dialogue with your body can be…revolutionary. I began a dialogue with my body, on a regular basis. In quiet, meditative contemplation I asked my body what it needed me to know (mostly, it said that it was tired of worrying all of the time and that I needed to have more fun).

Since “dialogue” is a two-way conversation, I also spoke. I informed my body that we—the internal “me” and my body—were going to beat this.

“Look, here’s what we’re going to do,” I informed my body, “We’re going to train for triathlon. I don’t care if we limp over that finish line. We are GOING to do this. This is how this is going to go.”

Heaving myself up a hill on my bike, I’d want to give up. “Listen up: this is how this is going to go. We’re going to finish this workout.”

Heading out for a run when I felt like heading for the couch? “Listen up: this is how this is going to go. We’re going to get your ass out there for a run.”

I’d feel resistant to getting in a swim workout (my least favorite triathlon discipline), but it would come back to the same thing: “Listen up: this swim is happening. Now.”

The voice was less drill sergeant, and more matter-of-fact: here’s what’s happening, there is no wiggle room, so let’s try less complaining (since that’s not fun, anyway) and more finishing. All that matters is that you finish. You’ve got this.

Every single time I finished a workout, I would feel a rush of pride. I hadn’t wanted to do this, but I’d done it! Then, too, I’d dialogue with my body, telling it/us/me (this is weird, I know) how proud I was, how awesome we were for hanging in there despite feeling tired, how much chutzpah it takes to keep showing up for classes where you are, quite literally, the worst-performing person in the class. One triathlon I completed, I was the very last person in my age group who emerged from the water (in my defense, I started my swim wave late when I got held up in the porta-potty lines).

It wasn’t about being the best. It was about doing what I’d set out to do, and not letting anything stop me.

Who Says So?

Years later, I was being interviewed on a podcast and my illness came up. The podcast host started talking about the importance of acceptance when it comes to illness. I’m into acceptance, but I added what feels true for me:

“Actually, I totally think that I’m going to heal from this, someday.”

Even though no doctor has said this to me, and the medical books say it is impossible and that there’s no clinical indication of healing, I no longer feel like “a sick person.”

In fact, I’m really clear that I’m healthy as hell, and I’m able to do far more things with my body than someone who is technically, clinically “healthier” than I am.

For the most part, the decision that I was more committed to doggedly pursuing what I wanted and the repeated practice of saying to myself, “Look, this is how this is going to go: we aren’t letting anything stop us” has, for all intents and purposes, worked.

By “worked,” I don’t mean spiritual bypass or healing myself magically. I suppose that if you ran my bloodwork, something I rarely bother to do anymore, all of the same stuff might still be there.

I just mean that I put very little attention on feeling ill and that when I do feel ill, most of my attention is on how I’m still going to do the things that bring me joy.

I’m ferocious about it, in the best way. What do I want to do with my one, precious life? What’s important to me? Why will it matter to me? How do I want to feel? What do I have control over—how can I do more of that?

And when fear comes up, I utilize the practices that I talk about in The Courage Habit—I really do stop to do things like access the body or reach out to my community—but I’m very clear that the question, “Who says so?” is answered by…me.

Who says so? I say so. Like, I’m saying how this is going to go, with my body. I have never felt anything truer in my life than this. Someday, I’m going to wake up and there just won’t be any illness, anymore. I don’t know how. I just know that it will happen.

I just know that it’s already happening.

Dialogue With the Body: Thank You

When I dialogue with the body now, my body thanks me.

It thanks me for listening, and for integrating more play and self-care into my life. It thanks me for dropping the hustle to be the best at anything. It thanks me for the sunshine and the bike rides through mustard fields in Sonoma County. It thanks me for the lower resting heart rate. It thanks me for time spent on a zafu, watching my in-breath and out-breath. It thanks me for a greatly expanded capacity to help, to volunteer, to give, to hold space, to be of service.

And once when I went into a dialogue with the body, my body thanked me for something new: for not giving up on it, and for not making it the subject of my scorn.

Viewing my body with betrayal was positioning my body as the enemy. “You betrayed me,” I was saying to my body, when in fact it had done nothing of the sort.

Today, I wholly understand that my body is my friend, and has only ever responded to the illness it has faced by trying to do one thing, at all costs: make sure that we survive.

I am something of an existentialist. I realize that someday, we all die. Someday, everyone’s bodies will give out in response to injury or illness or trauma. That’s the natural order of things. Because that’s the natural order of things, I feel acutely aware every day of the choice before me to decide who I want to be and how I want to live.

Instead of seeing my body as a liability, I now see it as an asset, a vehicle to experience as much joy as can be packed into this one human life, this one existence. I treat it as well as I know how, and I listen as best I can. I have chosen to befriend it, to love it, to be its champion even if it—like me—is imperfect.

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Journal Checklist https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/journal-checklist/ https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/journal-checklist/#respond Wed, 07 Jul 2021 18:54:56 +0000 https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/?p=155 Dialogue with Persons: Who were the persons who had inner importance to you during this unit of time? Describe the relationships, including both the pleasant and the unpleasant aspects. 2. Dialogue with Work: What were your work projects and activities during this period? What happened to them? Which came to a dead end? Which were Read More ...

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  • Dialogue with Persons: Who were the persons who had inner importance to you during this unit of time? Describe the relationships, including both the pleasant and the unpleasant aspects.
  • 2. Dialogue with Work: What were your work projects and activities during this period? What happened to them? Which came to a dead end? Which were completed? Which were halted and then resumed at a later time? Tell the feelings and the experiences that were involved in these.

    3. Dialogue with the Body: What was the physical condition of your life, your health or illness, your sensory life, your overall relationship to your body, and its use during this period?

    4. Dialogue with Society: What were your social attitudes during this time, your beliefs, loyalties, antagonisms? What was your relationship to your family, your nation, your historical roots? Were changes taking place in your social or philosophical orientation during this time?

    5. Dialogue with Events: Were there events that occurred in your life at this time that were striking in their impact and that brought about sharp changes in the circumstances of your life? Were there events that seemed to have fateful or mysterious qualities? How did this feel to you at the time, and in the times that followed?

    6. Dreams/Twilight Images: Are you aware of having sleep dreams or twilight images during this period of your life? Are there any that stand out from the others with respect to their symbolism, the insights they gave you, or possibly the predictions they made?

    7.Inner Wisdom Dialogue: Were there persons who inspired you, persons from history or mythological times, or persons living in your own time, in whom you felt a quality of wisdom that was especially relevant to you?

    8. Choices/Intersections: Were there intersections or decisions in your life during this time? Considering that you chose to take particular roads and left other roads untaken, how do you perceive the consequences now?

    9. Meaning Dimension: Did you have any experience of connection to meaning in life during this period?Did you feel a lack of meaning in life?

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    Week 1 Review https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/week-1-review/ https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/week-1-review/#respond Wed, 07 Jul 2021 01:44:24 +0000 https://conversations.tonilamotta.com/?p=153 NOTE:  The following information and instructions are revisions of information from At a Journal Workshop:  The Basic Text and Guide for Using the Intensive Journal Process by Ira Progoff, published by Dialogue House Library, New York, NY, 1975. Progoff’s Intensive Journal is a way you can explore your past as it relates to the present.  This exploration Read More ...

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    NOTE:  The following information and instructions are revisions of information from At a Journal Workshop:  The Basic Text and Guide for Using the Intensive Journal Process by Ira Progoff, published by Dialogue House Library, New York, NY, 1975.

    Progoff’s Intensive Journal is a way you can explore your past as it relates to the present.  This exploration involves using both the conscious, rational mind and the nonrational, intuitive mind.  The basic writing for the Intensive Journal involves preparatory work that leads to writing dialogues with persons and events/concepts.  There are many other writing exercises, but these are the basics.  According to Ira Progoff each person has his or her own, unique evolutionary process.  His Intensive Journal is a way to cooperate with this process.

    Metaphors may help explain the need, to begin with, with the preliminary exercises — Period Log, Period Image, Life Steppingstones and Steppingstone Period/Life History Log.  Gardening is one of them.  One must prepare a garden by breaking up the soil to make it fertile ground for new growth.  The beginning writing exercises are intended to accomplish this.  A computer is another.  A computer can store vast amounts of information, but only a portion of that is available for active use — Random Access Memory or RAM.  When RAM is increased, more information is available and more work can get done more quickly.  Our minds, like computers, contain far more information than is available in consciousness.  The basic journal exercises increase the amount of conscious information.

    Things to remember:

    • Label and date all your journal entries with the month, day, and year.
    • Don’t destroy what you write. It might not seem to make much sense today, but next week or next month or next year it may prove to be very valuable.  Your journal can be a charting of your experiences in the medical sense of the word.  Cumulative entries can show patterns that may help you understand yourself better or provide suggestions for writing in other sections of the journal.
    • Let your writing happen. Let it flow without criticism or censorship.  A disorganized, rambling entry is often more valuable in the insights it makes available than one that resembles a literary masterpiece.
    • File your journal entries. As you accumulate different types of journal entries, file them in the appropriate section of your journal or make notes referencing and cross-referencing entries to different sections.  Where you write something is not as important as that it gets written.  Where it’s filed is less important than being able to find it when you need it.

    Current Time Log

    The Current time Log allows us to discover where we are in our growth process now.  It should cover a period of time that is more than last month.  It usually covers three to six months or longer.  If you haven’t done much interior work, the Period Log may cover several years. (See Addendum for a Period Log Meditation)

    To write in the Log:

    1. Sit in silence allowing your mind to travel back over this period in your life. Let it take shape within you.
    2. Focus more specifically on the contents of this recent period and write about them. Write the memories and facts of your experiences without judgment and without censorship. Record the specific contents but not the details of this period.  This is an outline picture and an overview of this recent time in your life.  Write simply and briefly.
    3. Questions to help your writing:
    • When did this period start? Is there a particular event associated with this period?
    • What memories do you have of this period?
    • Friendships: loving, spiritual, and/or physical?
    • Relationships?
    • Your work – the way you spent your time?
    • Social activities?
    • Physical illness?
    • Inner experiences: spiritual, artistic, extrasensory, dreams?
    • Success or failures?
    • Good luck or misfortune?
    • Strange, uncanny events or coincidences?
    1. Begin your writing with: “This time that I’m living in began when…”
    2. Conclude your entry with: “This time that I’m living in feels like…”
    3. When you’ve finished writing the Log, examine your feelings about what you’ve written. Are you comfortable with it? Does it feel complete?  Record your answers to these questions at the end of the Period Log Entry.
    4. Read it aloud to yourself. Does this change your experience of what you’ve written? Record your reaction.

    Current time Twilight Image

    The Period Log primarily used your rational mind to focus on the conscious thoughts and memories of the “now” of your life.  The Period Image uses the nonrational mind to do the same thing.

    (Progoff records this journal entry in a separate log called the Twilight Imagery Log.  )

    Twilight imaging allows access to the nonrational and the intuitive.  The twilight state is that place between waking and sleeping.  It happens just before you drift off to sleep.  It also happens during those times we’ve put ourselves on “automatic pilot.”  We’re performing some routine task, like driving or washing dishes or shaving and our minds are a million miles away.  We finish our task but don’t remember doing it.

    While we speak of “twilight imaging,” the experience may not be an image.  It could be sound, a touch, a sensation, a fragrance, or any other type of experience.  Each of us has our own unique inner language of metaphor and symbol.  Whatever comes to you in whatever form is your “twilight imagery.”

    Allow the experience to just happen.  Let go of control of your mind, and allow whatever happens to flow without censorship or direction.

    When working alone:

    1. Reread your Current time Log entry. Read it aloud if possible.
    2. Sit in silence. Relax and just be with yourself.
    3. Allow the experience to just happen without censorship, control, or direction.
    4. Record your experiences when you are ready.
    5. Reread what you’ve written. Read it aloud if possible.

    Co-relation – go back to the original Current time section Answer and record the following questions: How does your twilight imagery experience relate to the Current time Log? Does it relate?  Is it parallel?  Opposite?  Seemingly unrelated?

     

    Life Markings or Steppingstones

    The purpose of Life Markings is to “loosen the soil” of our lives to give us access to life events that we may have been too pressured to truly experience at the time they were happening and to get acquainted or reacquainted with who we are and from where we’ve come.  Progoff uses a mountain climbing metaphor:  Steppingstones as like “markings’ that a mountain climber makes.  They outline the route that he’s taken — sometimes up, sometimes down — to get from one place to another.

    Life Markings are significant events that mark a period of time in our lives and set the theme for that period.  The Life Markings are like chapter titles.  They are the chapter titles you would use if you were to write your autobiography now.  The next time you record Life Steppingstones will be from a different “now,” and may reflect different themes and patterns.

    You should have no fewer than 8 and no more than 16 steppingstones; 10 to 12 are recommended.  The limit on the number is to encourage you to see patterns and cycles in your life rather than a series or list of significant events.  The limit helps us to see the relationships between the various events of our lives.

    As you list your Life Steppingstones, specific memories of events associated with a steppingstone may come to mind.  Note them briefly under that steppingstone as if they were subheadings within that chapter.

    The steppingstones may not come to mind in chronological order.  Write them down as they present themselves.  When your list of steppingstones is complete, you can number them appropriately..

    Outline of instructions for Life Markings or Steppingstones:

    1. Sit in silence passively reflecting over the course of your life.
    2. Write the steppingstones as they come to mind including specific memories associated with each as a subheading.
    3. Number the steppingstones in chronological order if they need to be.
    4. Read them to yourself in chronological order — the steppingstones only, without the subheadings. Read them aloud if possible.
    5. Record your reactions to reading the steppingstones.

     

     

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